I figured that Gandalf could do "more" than what he shows in the movies. In fact, Gandalf the White would most likely win. Though being a god is not really a statement, you can be either a Marvel God like Zeus/Odin or a GoW God like Zeus from GoW (Weak). Ice fell like rain. Comic Vine. That's Gandalf the Grey, far weaker than his White incarnation. Gandalf even though i'm a big albus fan. The sun shone fiercely there, but all below was wrapped in cloud. Heating up weapons and disarming people, and destroying an arrow in midflight: The old man was too quick for him. The strongest of the balrog was killed by a River. If that's the case, then Dumbledore is a better wizard in this regard. 'Saruman, your staff is broken.' Voldemort said softly, his red eyes upon Harry, whose scar began to burn so fiercely that he almost screamed in agony. Dumbledore conjured a massive fking FIRESTORM on top of water. 'Put away that bow, Master Elf!'. He breaks his staff, this means that Gandalf can probably break Dumbledores wand as well. Dumbledore just sat in his chamber in his school, not doing any fuck, or even helping Harry a little. "Did I not say that I wished to speak with you?" I don't think Gandalf is going to have an "easy" time defeating these 2 like some people think. Better feats, more powerful and is an eternal entity... @MKF30@czarny_samael666@Erik@CapitolPunishment Alright, seriously? First point is invalid. Movie? We only know that Gandalf the Grey wasn't powerful enough to defeat Sarumon, but that he didn't go quietly. Because he has never used it, as the white nor the gray, has he gone into his gull maiar form. On the issue of Mind rape, it has been stated that Dumbledore is a very skilled Occlumens and Legilimens. There are two instances in which Gandalf blocks spells/magic. There is no indication that the Glamdrig can not be cracked, chipped, or broken. Because Balrogs have been killed by simple rivers. Dumbledore also has the ability to go invisible, go around Gandalf, then fire a severing charm at his torso (which would kill him). Gandalf, meanwhile, appears in four completed books (technically two, if you count Lord of the Rings as one book like J.R.R. He will put up a better fight than voldemort that i'm sure of. Yes, Gellert is more powerful then Voldemort, but after Gellert died Voldemort became the most powerful Dark wizard of that timw. They are older than he. This is Gandalf the White. Crispy goblins. Why...by using Bertha Jorkins's information, of course. he solo, The combined power of them two eould be too much. If he tried to casually stroll up then Dumbledore can simply transform the ground below Gandalf into a pit of lava, killing all mighty Gandalf. No need to shout "you shall not pass", Arrows are flying towards you... no need to dodge... here is a shield spell. And for the BB def Sauron. Gandalf also has an edge being a master swordsman and being able physically superior in speed and strength, since his old physique basically doesn't limit him at all and is just a form. In my opinion Voldemort and Dumbledore only have one form and that is definitely unrestricted because why would they fight in restricted forms and if they have restricted forms, what forms of them are restricted? LOL at everyone saying Gandalf has no feats. There are many Balrogs. That is vague. Dumbledore and he have both brought the elements to bear in a fight in ways that Gandalf hasn't come close to, they have shown far more variety in directly harmful and manipulative spells and curses, and... Well, movie Gandalf didn't strike me as half as impressive as a spell caster. Dumbledore has access to a wide variety of magic. 2 Maiar (Maiars are angelic beings; demigods), Movie Gandalf: Lightning, Air, Energy, Animal Friendship, Light, Immortality (Kinda. They killed each other and Gandalf got rez'd as something more than what he was. He lifted his hand, and in the very stroke, the sword of Denethor flew up and left his grasp and fell behind him in the shadows of the house". I'm also not playing favorites at all because I love all of these characters and I love both set of movies equally. When Gandalf defeated the Balrog, The Balrog did fall and destroyed a mountain side. Take of this as you will and choose your side, (also btw he never once needed to shout aspell in the second and third book). One of those would be defeating a Balrog in single combat. No they never killed each other Gandalf killed the balrog first. Yes, exactly. Regular human capabilities. Get ready! While the books are a biliion ways better than HPU, unfortunately the way they showed magic is much deeper, creeping effect. The sword of Aragorn, stiff in his motionless hand, blazed with a sudden fire. I could not find the quote, but it is Book of the Lost Tales 2, Chapter 3. Also, tell me, can I have the source for those quotes? Gandalf is a better character IMO. Fallacious argument, how much water does it take to quench a balrog? "Speak! Gothmog 'was a son of Melko and the ogress Fluithuin and his name is Strife-and-hatred, and he was Captain of the Balrogs and lord of Melko's hosts ere fair Ecthelion slew him at the taking of Gondolin - From The Book of the Lost Tales, Chapter III. Dumbledore has shown in the Harry Potter series a far greater, wider, and versatile range of magic than Gandalf has. Gandalf will take this unless Dumbledore decides to use the forbidden curses, but I doubt he would due to morals. Gandalf conjured lightning from the sky so intense that it could be seen for miles off when he dueled the nazgul alone. We've seen very little battle feats from Salazar. Maybe I'm forgetting something major? He often performs miraculous magic with nothing more than his hands or even his mind. The Balrog DID NOT DIE FROM THE RIVER. Also, you're a fine one to speak of factual incorrectness, mister "letsworshipdumbledorecouldkillanywizardsupermegalordofharrypotterinvincibleheadmaster". There's nothing that indicates he's a match for Gandalf's physical stats (Fighting Orcs and Uruk-Hai keeps you in good shape). I can touch him now. White? Far, far below the deepest delving of the Dwarves, the world is gnawed by nameless things. Hell, Voldemort himself said Dumbledore was the only wizard he feared. Suddenly Gandalf laughed. He can't just go for a straight kill. Give Dumbledore the help from all the wizards (good and evil)of his respective universe and all the elder wands you want and it still won't be enough. And Gandalf may have never gone into his maiar form; but that wasn't a restriction given in the topic. Dumbledore couldn't even handle any battle gandalf was in. Now this is an actual fight and not a curbstomp. You have become a fool, Saruman, and yet pitiable. First of all, THERE IS NO INDICATION THAT HE CAN BLOCK HARRY POTTER SPELLS. It had wakened him up wide in a splintered second, and when goblins came to grab him, there was a terrible flash like lightning in the cave, a smell like gunpowder, and several of them fell dead. The fact remains that Gandalf fried an entire horde of enemies, whilst Dumbledore struggled with one. ~Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers; page 100, "Saruman!" His magic, also proved by that quote, is limited. Whose got that Star Trek meme hand you? If he has then give me the source. @sideslash: Yes but bald dude also had magic with him to defend himself, Goblins aren't capable of deflecting lighting. Books? We know Gandalf can not only sling spells but his sword as well.... Gandalf will take this 10/10. "Ecthelion 'was that lord of the house of the Fountain, who had the fairest voice and was most skilled in musics of all the Gondothlim. I'l just let you see for yourself. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. What feats/abilities does Gandalf have that are so impressive? Since when can Dumbledore and his wand not defend against a sword or any other physical weapon? The bald man is above peak-human capabilities. Struggled? Something of a river, yes. Holy. On the issue of Mind rape, it has been stated that Dumbledore is a very skilled Occlumens and Legilimens. Dumbledore any day , he has the elder wand. 'Deep is the abyss that is spanned by Durin's Bridge, and none has measured it,' said Gimli. The way this is set up though.... yeah Gandalf in a spite stomp. But I will argue the fact that Dumbledore reacted before something could kill him at instant is on par with destroying an arrow. Voldemort raised one of his long white fingers and put it very close to Harry's cheek. Dumbledore's got deflected by a bald man with no nose. You can find that arguement on this thread: Aragon is a normal human and would easily die to the kinds of Dumbledore. Stay then! Voldemort was litterilly running away. They are two different species and everything. This time it was the one-armed centaur, galloping in front of Dumbledore, that took the blast and shattered into a hundred pieces, but before the fragments had even hit the floor, Dumbledore had drawn back his wand and waved it as though brandishing a whip.- Taken from: Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, the Only One he ever feared. I guess some people would possibly say that Voldemort has different forms as far as coming back to life just like Gandalf does. He raised his wand. I have something superior. Incendio - Produces fire. :), @norrinboltagonprime21: They're okay when you're younger but then you begin to see the flaws in her writing. The book version is immensly more powerful then the film version, kind of like Batman he simply doesn't compare to his comic book version of the character. How exactly teleportion and a bag of tricks going to help against a God? "Put away that bow, Master Elf!". Fellowship of the Ring - The Ring Goes South. ~Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers; page 102. No. Conjure up wandless fire storms and transfigure things without a wand, He can go invisible without a cloak (just like Dumbledore). In fact Gandalf has a knack for obliterating people's weaponry. A simple drop fall of water would kill a balrog. Exactly. So, jelly legs curse then a reducto for the glamdring, then he can fry Gandalf by creating a fire storm to come directly upon him. It was pain beyond anything Harry had ever experienced; his very bones were on fire; his head was surely splitting along his scar; his eyes were rolling madly in his head; he wanted it to end...to black out...to die...-Taken from: Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. Hear it from The One Who Can't Be Named himself. He's a god. I cannot burn snow.". However all these achievements aren't shown. And to the cutting down Dumbledore, wouldn't that be made a whole lot harder on Gandalf considering the fact that Dumbledore can teleport and also fly which is something that Gandalf hasn't done or been shown capable of doing.
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